Christian magazine looks at “The Fall” in four posts

Darren King with Precipice Magazine is a thoughtful, Christian commentator on “The Fall of the Evangelical Nation.” Here are four posts from his site: http://precipicemagazine.com/witness-to-evangelical-decline#faithful_desertion

Darren understands that I was trying to convey much more than the mere fact that the evangelicals are in trouble. Understanding what we’re losing and why is essential.

Few other reviewers have mentioned that the great strengths of evangelical faith are an important part of the picture.

Too often we let ourselves be divided into those who are for and those who are against. But life is rarely that simple. When we pretend that it is, we cut ourselves out of the richness that is part of the human birthright.

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God’s Country - Christine’s blog on Huffington Post

Here’s a line up of posts:

Saddleback a civil forum? What a novel idea

http://blogger.huffingtonpost.com/mt.cgi?__mode=view&_type=entry&id=119230&blog_id=3

Vote for the bad guy

http://blogger.huffingtonpost.com/mt.cgi?__mode=view&_type=entry&id=115507&blog_id=3

James Dobson’s Toilet Politics

http://blogger.huffingtonpost.com/mt.cgi?__mode=view&_type=entry&id=114334&blog_id=3 (more…)

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This one made me laugh

Thomas Schaller wrote in Salon: “Christine Wicker, a former Dallas Morning News religion reporter and author of a new book called “The Fall of the Evangelical Nation,” has said that the big story is that evangelicals are losing numbers. On the other hand, of the oft-cited quarter of the country who are self-described evangelicals, she claims that only 7 percent are hardcore, while fully 18 percent are swing voters. So maybe (white) evangelicals are really in play after all. Team Obama obviously thinks the Democrat needs to cut into their margins a wee bit. (Sidebar: Why is Wicker, a Southerner from a sixth-generation evangelical family, not getting much attention for her book from the supposedly liberal media right now?)”

In answer to his question: I haven’t got a clue. Except that reporters follow each other’s stories far more than I realized. http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2008/08/18/rick_warren/index.html

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Christine in The Fort Worth Star-Telegram

“That loud crack heard throughout the evangelical world when national research showed that more than half of American evangelicals believe people of other religions can go to heaven wasn’t thunder from an angry God.

This crack came from the rock upon which the modern American evangelical movement sits. It was splitting right down the middle.

There is both rejoicing and lamentation.

I am among those rejoicing.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/245/story/837232.html

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Recent reviews and comments

“The Fall” was recently reviewed by The Dallas Morning News

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/religion/arts/stories/DN-relbooks_05met.ART.South.Edition1.4dadb93.htmlThe

Fort Worth Weekly http://www.fwweekly.com/content.asp?article=7054

The Marin County Jesus blog. If you like behind-the-scenes stories of faith and church bulding, check this blog out. It’s well written and funny. It helps humanize preachers.

The Exploring Our Matrix blog.. I particularly like this one because it compares “The Fall” to the movie “The Bucket List” in an enlightening way. Blogger James McGrath read the book carefully enough to bring up points many people have missed. http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2008/07/bucket-list-of-evangelical-nation.html
The Sacramento News and Review called “The Fall” a rare treat: http://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/blogs/post?oid=728985


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Speaking to the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship

The meeting was in Memphis. The group is made up of traditional Baptists who don’t agree with the fundamentalist takeover of the Southern Baptist Convention. The topic was racism and the 2008 presidential campaign.

Take a look at what the Baptist Standard published:

http://www.baptiststandard.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=8135&Itemid=53

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NPR “On the Media” interview

BOB GARFIELD: This is On the Media. I’m Bob Garfield. This week, Barack Obama gave a speech about religion in which he pledged to increase funding to George Bush’s faith-based initiatives by a half a billion dollars. There was much speculation about whether it was shrewd political calculation to woo ever-important evangelical values voters.

It’s repeated widely that one in four Americans are evangelical, so it made sense for Christine Wicker, a former religion reporter for The Dallas Morning News, to write a book about this huge unified portion of the country. But as she started doing research, she was told over and over by evangelicals that she was writing the wrong book and that she should instead investigate how evangelical churches were, in fact, shrinking.

She went on to find a group that was anything but unified. Oh, and that business about evangelicals being a quarter of the population, she says it’s wrong.

CHRISTINE WICKER: What’s right is that they are seven percent of the population. I judged this every way that I could. I looked at beliefs, I looked at behavior, I looked at church attendance. And that 7 percent holds up every way you look at it. There’s only a small core of people, and they are the ones delivering the vote. That other 18 percent, it’s a swing vote.

BOB GARFIELD: Even evangelicals often have trouble agreeing on who’s who - who’s born again, who’s evangelical, who’s fundamentalist. As a practical political matter, though, versus a theological one, isn’t there enough ideology overlap among all these categories to make the number of certified evangelicals kind of besides the point?

I mean, whoever they were, did they not fuel the so-called Republican revolution and did they not sweep George W. Bush into power?

CHRISTINE WICKER: Well, Southerners have been voting Republican since Nixon. Now, once Bush came in, he began to convince us that that group of evangelicals was much larger than it was. But here’s how I usually answer that question. If that 7 percent were really as influential and big as we have been led to believe it is, if it was one out of four Americans, they would have gotten their policies passed, because politicians would be fallin’ all over themselves.

So abortion should be illegal by now. Gay rights should have been pushed back. Taxes to help the poor, social programs, all the things that they wanted should be the law of the land. But they’re not. (more…)

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“The Fall” gets pulpit time

My friend Davidson Loehr, pastor at the First Unitarian/Universalist Church of Austin, read “The Fall of the Evangelical Nation” and used its findings in two sermons this June. They’re both food for thought. And controversy among the people I’ve sent them to.

Take a look and let me know your thoughts.

He starts each message with a prayer that sets the tone.

Can Evangelicalism be (Gasp!) Dying?

1 June 2008

PRAYER:

Let us not confuse hype with hope. We know all that glitters is not gold, but let us not be misled when the glitter looks good anyway. Let us not be taken in by someone else’s excited messages that don’t feed our enduring hungers.

We are here to grow into our highest callings as children of the universe, children of God, the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself. Let us not accept messages that don’t bless us.

May we learn to shun voices that say, “You’re nothing without me. You’re nothing without Jesus. You’re nothing without God.” These messages don’t come from Jesus or God, but from those acting like “used God” salesmen who hawk them for personal profit or power.

Our good news — the kind of truth that can set us free – may indeed be a truth that passes all understanding, but not a truth that bypasses understanding. (more…)

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Dallas Morning News

This column was reprinted in Miami and Atlanta.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/points/stories/DN-wicker_01edi.ART1.State.Edition1.46dace2.html

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A preview of statistics showing the evangelical slide

The 25 percent of Americans who say they are evangelicals don’t go to church as evangelicals are expected to, don’t act as evangelicals are expected to, and don’t believe as evangelicals are expected to.

So are they evangelicals? No. Not in any way that would justify their dominance in national discussions of ethical and moral values.

Other Christians (67 percent of the population) outnumber traditionalist evangelicals (12.7) by more than five to one, according to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life Study )

HOW MANY EVANGELICALS ARE THERE?

The most commonly heard statistic about evangelicals is that they are 25 percent of the country, one out of four Americans. That stat comes from what Americans say about their religious practice, which is notoriously unreliable.

In fact, traditionalist evangelicals are 7 percent of the population or 1 out of 14 Americans. Only 7 percent of self-identified evangelicals believe the most central tenets of so-called Bible-based belief and fewer than 7 percent are in church on a given Sunday. (more…)

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